Für ihn eventuell schon, man weiß es nicht ;)Zitat:
Zitat von Arnie2k9
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Für ihn eventuell schon, man weiß es nicht ;)Zitat:
Zitat von Arnie2k9
Bei der gestrigen Anhörung vor Gericht kam nur heraus,
daß er nicht gegen Kaution frei kommt.
Die nächste Verhandlung ist erst am 6. Januar (!).
Dann wird final entschieden, ob er deportiert wird.
Ich habs zwar gelesen, aber noch nicht ganz verstanden, was er falsch gemacht hat... Wenn sein Visum abgelaufen ist kann man ihn doch einfach nicht einreisen lassen oder? Gleich Gefängniss und dann kommt er nichtmal gegen Kaution frei?Zitat:
Zitat von szhantel
Kenn mich damit überhaupt nicht aus, aber mir kommt das suspekt vor...
Mit den Feinheiten der Regeln der amerikanischen Einwanderungsbehörde kenne ich mich auch nicht aus. Ein paar Sachen weiß ich aber. Victor ist kein amerikanischer Staatsbürger sondern ein "Legal Alien". Und der Versuch der Einreise in die USA mit ungültigen Papieren gilt dort als Straftat. Jetzt sitzt er in Untersuchungshaft und das Gericht evaluiert, ob es für die USA von Vor- oder von Nachteil ist, daß seine Green Card erneuert wird und er so bleiben darf. Daß er vor einiger Zeit im Gefängnis saß, weil er Steroide und Betäubungsmittel vertickt hat (die nächste Straftat), ist da nicht unbedingt förderlich und schließt auch eine Freilassung auf Kaution aus. Seit 9/11 ist die USA recht humorlos in diesen Fragen.
Ich bin schon auf Vorher-Nachher-Fotos gespannt wenn er wieder rauskommt:lol:
humor haben die eh nicht, dafür sitzt ihnen der colt recht locker.Zitat:
Seit 9/11 ist die USA recht humorlos in diesen Fragen.
Verstehe, wusste nicht dass er schonmal eine Straftat begangen hat und die Untersuchungen versteh ich in diesem Zuge auch, aber wenn jemand schonmal 10 Jahre in diesem Land gelebt hat und die Papiere ausgeloffen sind, dann lass ich den doch einwandern/verlängern (nach Überprüfung) und steck ihn nicht ins Gefängniss, der wird ja nirgendshin flüchten oder wen umbringen. mM..
mit den armen ist ihm alles zuzutrauen. :diablo:
Schon klar dass die Angst haben gg, aber find das trotzdem irgendwie übertrieben und nicht ganz in Ordnung (Aber ist halt nur meine Meinung vielleicht seh ich einfach die Hintergründe zu wenig).Zitat:
Zitat von robert234
Details:
At 1 pm today, Victor Martinez walked into a US Immigration and Customs courtroom with hopes of leaving a free man. Sadly, things did not go how he, and most of the bodybuilding community had hoped. While his girlfriend, his close friend and training partner, IFBB Pro Jon De La Rosa observed, the lawyers conferred. Victor’s lawyer actually teleconferenced in, as he wasn’t able to be in New York for the case. After all was said and done, the judge had decided to side with the government, not granting Victor bail. His next hearing will be on January 6th, 2012.
By January 6th, Victor will have been in I.C.E. (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) holding for almost exactly 90 days. The 90-day mark is significant in that it is the cut-off time for the US government to hold someone in an immigration matter. At the 90-day mark, they need to either release him, charge him with a crime, or deport him.
Best case scenario would be Victor spending 3 extremely depressing months in a federal holding cell. These are usually about 6 by 8 feet in size, with steel or brick walls and one solid or barred door; not a fun place to spend three months. Victor would then get out with the ability to renew his green card. At that point, he wouldn’t be able to get ready for the Arnold, on March 2nd-4th. This would give him around 8 weeks to not only diet, but put back on a the muscle he will surely lose while locked up. If this scenario comes to pass (and I hope it does), then we could certainly see Victor back on the Olympia stage in September.
Second best case scenario would be that on January 6th, Victor is deported back to the Dominican Republic. There he may live very well on substantially less money than he is currently making. There are 9 shows outside of the US in the 2012 season, and only 1 of those (The Sheru Classic), he would not be the favourite for.
The worst possible scenario is that the government isn’t deporting him now because they are investigating or building a federal case against Victor. I have no details on this, and wouldn’t speculate on what those charges could be. I have, however, been told by a lawyer that specializes in immigration law in New York City, that this is a possible scenario. With the government’s federal conviction rate at almost 95%, this is decidedly the worst case scenario. Obviously, if this were to occur, Victor would not only serve a sentence in a federal prison, but when the sentence is completed, he would then be deported.
Quelle: Aaron Singerman, rxmuscle
Kurz zusammengefasst: Er bleibt auf jeden Fall bis zum 06.01.12 in Untersuchungshaft. Dann gibt es drei Szenarien:
1.: Er wird freigelassen und erhält eine erneuerte Green Card.
2.: Er wird in sein Heimatland Dom Rep abgeschoben.
3.: Man bastelt an einer Anklage gegen ihn. Bei einer Verurteilungsquote von 95% hiesse das ab in den Knast - und dann Abschiebung.
Manche Menschen haben merkwürdige Prioritäten. Da sitzt einer in Haft und wird eventuell abgeschoben, muss seine Familie, Freunde und Geschäfte, sein ganzes Leben zurücklassen und in einem ihm fremden Land (Victor lebt in New York City, seitdem er sieben Jahre ist) ganz neu anfangen. Und Singermann sorgt sich um die Teilnahme an der Arnold Classic. :neutral:
Na dann hoffen wir das beste für Ihn, 1. wär schön, 2. wär hart aber 3. is doch unmenschlich (stecken wir ihn in den Knast und schieben ihn danach trotzdem noch ab)...
Erinnert mich an Boris Kleine damals...
Jo mich auch.. Der musste auch sein ganzes Leben danach umstellen. So als Pro-BB ist das schon sehr schade und schlimm, wenn man die ganze Zeit sein Leben nach BB richtet und einem dann alles sozusagen versaut wird. Dann auch noch vielleicht Abschiebung, obwohl das sozusagen seine Heimat ist.. Der Victor ist echt nicht gerade mit Glück gesegnet, erst das mit seiner Schwester, dann ein Riss der Patella und jetzt das..
Naja jetzt hört aber mal auf, wenn er sich nicht beim Drogen verticken erwischen lässt hat er auch keine Probleme. Das jetzt als die Schuld der Behörde darzustellen halte ich für nicht richtig.
Vielleicht haben sie ihn deswegen einfach immer noch auf dem Kieker, er sieht ja nicht gerade aus als hätte er alles illegale schwups di wups abgesetzt...
Victor ist kein Unschuldslamm. Er hatte 2003/2004 im ganz großen Stil Drogenhandel laufen. Die haben sogar ´nen Undercover Cop auf ihn angesetzt, der dann sein Vertrauen erschlich und dem er dann später Steroide und GHB verkaufte. Und spätestens da hört der Spass für mich auf, das ist die sogenannte "Vergewaltigungsdroge". Ein paar Tropfen davon ins Glas der weiblichen Begleitung und die ist 12 Stunden ausgeknocked. Praktischerweise ist das Zeug auch nur 12 Stunden im Körper nachweisbar. Wer so etwas verkauft, ist ein ganz übler Drecksack.Zitat:
Zitat von JOTSCHKA
Im Gespräch waren damals 4-6 Jahre Haft, aber weil er gesungen und alle seine Quellen verraten hat, haben sie ihm dafür einen Deal angeboten für drei Monate Haft und fünf Jahre Bewährung.
Ihr würdet übrigens mit den Ohren schlackern, wenn Ihr wüsstet, wie viele Pros mit Dealerei Ihren Eigenbedarf an Steroiden finanzieren...
Sehr interessant, das wusste ich bis jetzt nicht. Einfach alles weglächeln auf der Bühne.
Sagte ja weiß den Hintergrund zu wenig, jetzt versteh ichs.
Als Geste der Unterstützung auf dem Cover der nächsten MD. Kleines Update: Victor hofft, zumindest über
die Weihnachtsfeiertage gegen Kaution und mit einer elektronischen Fußfessel zu seiner Familie zu dürfen.
ich weiß das ist eher nebensächlich, aber: hat er die möglichkeit, im gefängnis zu trainieren/die masse zu halten?
ich glaub eher net das er die halten kann, da er ja ganz normales Essen bekommt, oder? Also für otto-normalos^^Zitat:
Zitat von Super.Gene
Er sitzt im Hudson County Correctional Center, dort gibt es weder ein Gym noch seine Super-Supps. Insofern...Zitat:
Zitat von Super.Gene
Da würde ich aber die Gitter verbiegen. :ratlos:
Probier´s doch!Zitat:
Zitat von robert234
Geht nicht, wegen der Bizepssehnenruptur. :motz1:Zitat:
Zitat von szhantel
Aktuelles Interview:
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/n...-his-fate.html
echter scheiß was da abläuft!
zusammengefasst:
er kann im gefängnis nur mit einer klimmzugstange und ohne gewichte trainieren; essen bekommt er nur wenig mehr, weil er in der essensausgabe arbeitet; wären seine kinder nicht in den usa, wäre er schon längst in die dominikanische republik gegangen.
Haha "mystery meat":lol:
Ich bin gespannt wie er rauskommt.
@supergene
Was heißt da echter Scheiß? Lies dir den Thread mal durch.
Quelle: MD
Ok fans of Victor Martinez, here is the scoop on what went down at Vic's hearing today in New York City. Initially we thought that today's hearing was mainly concerned with some documentation procedures and once the procedures were finished the court would name a date for Martinez' final hearing. But it didn't quite work out that way.
According to our source, a few of the documents were not in order and the announcement of the date of Martinez' final hearing is now postponed until February 24th, 2012. Martinez attorneys believe that the final court date will be sometime in April or May. There was a bright side for Martinez. A judge approved his application to waive his prior criminal charges.
Currently Martinez remains in mandatory detention without bail. Vic's attorneys think there is a possibility that he might be let out on parole sometime between now and the next hearing on February 24th. However it is also possible that he could stay detained until the final hearing that could be set for sometime in April or May.
According to his attorneys, if all goes well at his final hearing, he could be granted US citizenship.
Our sources say that Victor misses his family, misses his fans, wishes he had a gym and misses training. He looks healthy and rested. They even say that he will come back and be better than ever when he gets out.
Martinez was taken into custody October 9th, 2011 - one day after winning the Arnold Europe in Madrid, Spain - when he was attempting to re-enter the United States.
Kurz zusammengefasst: Die gestrige angeblich finale Anhörung wurde in den April oder Mai (!) verschoben, da etwas mit den Unterlagen nicht in Ordnung war. Wann genau, wird am 24. Februar verkündet. Victor muss solange in Haft bleiben, seine Anwälte bemühen sich weiterhin um Bewährung. Seine kriminelle Vergangenheit wurde vom Richter jedoch für den Fall als nicht relevant erklärt. Am Ende des Prozesses könnte Victor also US-Bürger werden.
Quelle: MD
The Waiting GameThe last time Victor had called me, I really couldn’t talk. It was about 10:00 p.m. on New Year’s Eve and I was walking into Mohegan Sun casino to ring in the New Year with about 200,000 other happy (and drunk) revelers. Meanwhile, the reigning Arnold Classic Europe champ was locked up in New Jersey as he waited for his next hearing to determine his fate. That hearing happened on January 6, and as often happens in our justice system, all that came of it was a postponement until the next hearing on February 24 where he will be given his final hearing date. Theoretically, Victor might be in there until April or May before he hopefully is released and can start getting his life back in order. By then, he will have been incarcerated for roughly seven months. I spoke to him last night, and under the circumstances Martinez sounded remarkably calm.
Victor Martinez Bides His Time Behind Bars
Exclusive Interview by Ron Harris for Muscular Development
MD: Victor, I saw that one encouraging thing came out of the hearing a few days ago. Your application to waive the criminal charges was approved by the judge. Does that mean they won’t count against you in the final decision whether to let you stay in the USA?
VM: Yes, and that’s major.
MD: I don’t understand why you haven’t been granted bail, though. Usually I thought people weren’t given bail mainly because they were considered a flight risk. You’re trying to stay here. It’s not like you’re going to disappear into the Midwest and live under a false name. You’re a professional athlete and a public figure.
VM: For whatever reason, it’s harder for legal aliens like me to get bail. I still have a good chance of getting that, though; my lawyer is still working on it.
MD: I also understand that you might be a citizen after all this? Would the judge just grant it to you automatically if he decides to let you stay?
VM: No, it’s not like that. I would have to apply for it again. But that would be my first priority, obviously! I also want to let the ladies know that I’m not an illegal alien, so I don’t need to get married.
MD: What, have you been getting proposals?
VM: Yeah, a few women have offered to bail me out and marry me so I can stay here. Some are women I know, others I’ve never even heard of. My girlfriend wouldn’t be too happy about that.
MD: Who was at the hearing on Friday, anyone we know?
VM: Jonathan De La Rosa was there with his dad and Juan Morel. Jon’s dad is bigger than me now! Victor Munoz was at the hearing, so was my friend Ralph, plus my sisters, my aunt, my niece, and my nephews. Lot of support and I appreciated it.
MD: I hate to ask you this, but a ton of people on the MD boards have been speculating and wondering what you weigh now. Do you even know? Do you have access to a scale?
VM: No, but I don’t need a scale. I feel about 230, and I know my body pretty well so that’s gotta be close. I came in here at about 265. I won’t lose any more weight, though. I’ve leveled off and this is where my body will stay.
MD: Has the exercise situation improved? Do you have access to any weights at all?
VM: Nope. Listen up, meatheads— don’t do anything in the state of New Jersey, ‘cus there ain’t no weights in their jails!
MD: Whoever we got the info about the hearing from said you looked rested. Have you been sleeping more than usual?
VM: Oh, definitely. I spend most of the day reading and writing to fans. I’ve gotten letters from Hawaii, England, Spain, all over.
MD: I meant to ask, if people write to you, should they include a self-addressed stamped envelope?
VM: They can include an envelope, but we have to pay for postage out of our commissary account, and that has a $125 limit. Guess who owns the commissary? The Bush family!
MD: No shit?
VM: Yeah, I gotta tell Gerard he should get some MHP protein bars in the prison commissaries— he could make a killing. Everything they sell now is candy bars and chips.
MD: What time do you have to be in your cell for the night by?
VM: That’s what I wanted to say. They won’t move me to the dor
ms in the immigration section. I have friends over there. This whole time I’ve been stuck in the intake section where they have us locked up at 9. Immigration doesn’t lock down until 11. The other thing is, there’s a chin-up bar and dipping bars over there I could be using. All we have in my section is a chin-up bar outside, and if the weather’s bad they won’t even let me out there.
MD: That sucks. I know jail isn’t supposed to be the Ritz-Carlton, but how is your cell?
VM: I think it’s about 8 feet by 10 feet. It’s freakin’ cold in here, though, like about 50 degrees. I have a bad cold right now. The bed is just big enough for your body. You can’t move around at all. The mattress is maybe an inch and a half thick.
MD: So, no Posturepedic mattress with memory foam?
VM: No, man.
MD: Couple other random questions— do you have to take showers with a ton of other dudes? Is your hair growing back?
VM: We do have individual shower stalls, but a lot of the showerheads don’t work. Plus the drains are always getting clogged up with I don’t know what. We have a barber in here for my head, but my body hair is all back now. I look like a damn Chia Pet.
MD: You mentioned before that it’s tougher to get bail as a legal alien. What else is different?
VM: You’re better off being an illegal alien or a U.S. citizen charged with a felony. Usually they get bail, and they get less time. But I should say that one bad thing I’ve seen them do with illegals is to keep them totally isolated for the first couple weeks they get here. Then they get scared and confused, and they give them papers to sign out and be deported. They might have a 50/50 chance of beating the case and staying here, but after all that they just want to get out one way or another.
MD: How are you dealing with not being able to train or eat right?
VM: I don’t stress out about it because there’s nothing I can do about it right now. The only thing that really bothers me is not being with my kids. I try to keep busy with a lot of reading. I’m on the third book in the Game of Thrones series now, and I just read Killing Pablo. I read a couple James Patterson books. We usually watch a couple bootleg DVDs every morning, too. Today I saw “Rise of the Planet of the Apes” and “Final Destination 5.”
MD: Well, that’s about all I have for you now before I need to ask you questions for your next MD column, so is there anything you want to say?
VM: Yes, thanks to all my fans and friends for standing by me throughout this. I appreciate all the letters and they help me fill my long days here, so please keep them coming!
You May Write to Victor at:
Victor Martinez A-3-W 252912
35 Hackensack Ave.
Kearny, NJ 07032
VICTOR IST FREI! :D
Nach über sieben Monaten Untersuchungshaft ist Victor Martinez nach der heutigen finalen Anhörung in New York vom Gericht auf freien Fuß gesetzt worden. Er wird nicht in sein Heimatland Dominikanische Republik abgeschoben und darf die US-amerikanische Staatsbürgerschaft beantragen.
Aktuelle Bilder mit Rob Youells und Jon Delarosa nur Minuten nach seiner Freilassung
WoW.. dünn ist er gerworden..bin gespannt ob er sich noch aufraffen wird und wieder mit dem Gedanken spielt auf die Bühne zu gehen!!! Der Erfahrung sagt mir das man in deisem Level das meistens sein lässt!Zitat:
Zitat von szhantel
Lol, ich habe erstmal gedacht sz hätte die falschen Bilder hochgeladen.
Aber mit nen paar Pushups ist es als Profi BB wohl nicht getan^^
Das, mein Herr, kann man bei sz grundsätzlich ausschließen!:ass:Zitat:
Zitat von Schmali
Krass.. erinnert mich stark an Boris Kleine. Der kam auch so aus dem Knast.
Sogar Arnold hatte sich für ihn eingesetzt:
Interview mit Ron Harris von MD:
MD: Thanks for calling and I won't keep you long. I know you have a lot of catching up to do. How confident were you that you would be allowed to stay in the US? Steve told me this particular judge deports 80 percent of the cases he sees?
VM: 84 percent. Yeah, it was tricky and I was pretty worried. They were looking for reasons to deport me all along.
MD: So what do you think made the judge decide to let you stay?
VM: It was a few things, I think. I've been in the USA since I was four years old, I have four kids here, and probably most important of all - I've paid a lot of fucking taxes to Uncle Sam, and that's all on record with the IRS. So maybe he sees me as contributing to the country that way.
MD: This all happened at the Federal Building in New York City. Did you have to go back to Hudson County in New Jersey to get your stuff?
VM: No, I didn't want to go back there, I've seen enough of that place! I didn't have anything back there that was important to me. Before I left for New York I gave it all to a buddy of mine in there, my books and magazines.
MD: What was your first meal as a free man, and your second?
VM: The first thing I ate was a whole barbecue chicken with rice, and it was delicious. After that my brother took me to an Argentine steakhouse and I got a 24-ounce churrasco steak.
MD: So, are you starving now that you have access to good food again?
VM: Not really, because I haven't been training. If I don't train, I don't have much of an appetite. Once I'm back into hard training every day again, it will be a different story.
MD: Have you seen your kids yet?
VM: I saw my two girls, and I'll see my sons next week.
MD: You must be dying to train again. When will you have your first workout?
VM: I was thinking about Monday, but now I'm thinking about just going tomorrow. I need to find a yoga club or a fitness place so I can blend in!
MD: Okay, let me stop you right there. Haters have been saying you must not be about 170 pounds now. I am guessing you're nothing less than 200. What do you weigh?
VM: I'm 220. I haven't been 170 pounds since I won the Elmo's Gym contest when I was 19. I was actually 165, I started my diet at 170. Whatever, if the haters want to think I weigh 120 pounds, let them. They're the last thing on my mind now.
MD: So 220 and lean, not a bad starting point at all.
VM: Yeah, I could probably do the 212 Olympia in a few months.
MD: But seriously, you're not going to train at any of your usual gyms for a while?
VM: I think I'll stick to the Equinox Club and 19th Street Gym for at least a couple weeks just to do some full-body circuits and start getting things back to normal. It will probably take me about a month to get back up to speed and start doing one bodypart a day again.
MD: Okay, I know you have a lot going on now, so what would you like to say?
VM: I want to thank Steve Blechman and MD, Gerard Dente, all my family and friends, especially Jonathan, Dennis James, and Abby, and anyone who helped me stay positive through the last seven months. Anybody who was there for me or even who just supported and believed in me even if I never met you, I appreciate it. This was just a small chapter in my life. It happened, and it's part of what makes me me. I wouldn't change a thing. To the negative people who doubted me, have always doubted me, and will continue to doubt me, you don't know a damn thing about true warriors. We don't give up.
Video-Interview
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/...ay-4-2012.html
:-) Back in da gym